Glendaal 17 Sep 2022 12:12

You guys get afraid way too easily, all of the time attacks are reasonable and all are not even close of world record scores ( mad clown's world record is 8 seconds, the achievement require to beat him in 20, 12 seconds is a lot) and you can restart a fight over and over again. All fights have a way to beat opponents quickly and the set times include room for errors. They are a challenge but absolutely nothing impossible nor insane

richterhayabusa 18 Sep 2022 15:02

Got it! Sorry for another comment, I admire a lot the developers work, firstly seems hardest for casual players...

richterhayabusa 18 Sep 2022 15:03

After the last site change, I will have problem to load the achievements in Android Retroarch. Someone have same problem?

suspect15 19 Sep 2022 02:00

The idea of sets is to master the game... I think it reasonable to require more than just casual effort to "master" a game. I have no heard about any issues with Android Retroarch. Is your problem specific to this set only? Make sure you have the latest version of Retroarch installed and feel free to message me if you have issues. I'll try to help figure out the issue as best I can.

richterhayabusa 19 Sep 2022 10:39

Hello, suspect15. Thanks for your attention. The issue was solved with lastest version of Retroarch. I was using 1.9.14 and after the last site change, the login can be done but the achievements are not loading in any game, not this specific. Thanks again...

suspect15 20 Sep 2022 01:24

Hi richterhayabusa. I'm glad to hear that fixed the issue!

lo9i 21 Sep 2022 04:00

According to the RetroAchievements "Unwelcome Concepts" page: #3 "Require perfection all game (maybe acceptable in Bonus Sets)". I assert that this set now requires perfection to badge. Not World Record perfection, but it's getting close. To badge / re-badge this game as things stand, players are now expected to study YouTube videos & reproduce exact movements, as well as receive favourable in-game RNG, to get under the new time limit achievements - one for every fight in the game. Further, 14/16 of the new time limit achievements are scored 10 points (10 = "Medium / Intermediate Significance"). Arguably paltry. In any case, either RA enforces its "Unwelcome Concepts" uniformly, or it doesn't. I think if revision voting was put on the forums, in public, instead of the discord (which the vast majority of RA users aren't ever going to be a part of), revisions would receive more feedback / scrutiny, to the benefit of all RA users.

Glendaal 21 Sep 2022 04:15

It doesnt 'require perfection all game' as you can retry over and over again in time attack mode. If you had to retry the whole game after one failed attempt, then it would be as you say. And no one is forcing to watch youtube videos, with a minimum of effort you can find the pattern to beat them quickly by yourself, but since lazyness is becoming the norm then yeah, youtube is your friend. It's not like it's a 10 minute fight, it literally lasts seconds

lo9i 21 Sep 2022 04:43

Glendaal, you're claiming that it doesn't require perfection, because players get infinite tries at these tight times. You're also saying that players don't need to watch YT videos - they can figure out the patterns through excessive grinding in TT mode. Yet suspect15 has said in the forum thread he's going to be linking such videos in all the time attack achievements, to help players. So what to believe? I believe if Unwelcome Concepts #3 was enforced, the time limit achievements would be in a bonus set. I don't see anything painful about *any* of the other revision achievements. I don't know why there has been such resistance to putting the time attack achievements into a bonus set - but what I do know is that a *lot* of people are looking to start this set (or do the revision achievements), but are waiting. They are waiting for an obvious reason.

lo9i 21 Sep 2022 05:05

Quick addendum - I was mistaken when I said that suspect15 was going to link YT videos in each time attack achievement. That was me misremembering what was said in the thread. In the thread, suspect15 says that players should look at "easily available resources" first before expressing reservations about the time attack achievements. I apologize for the misquote there.

suspect15 21 Sep 2022 19:28

After some consideration of the feedback, I agree that several of the time attack achievements are underscored at 10. I've raise the ones following Mad Clown to 25 which is more in line with their difficulty.

gollawiz 21 Sep 2022 19:29

The issue I have with the time attack things are that, while yes you can follow a youtube video to figure it out, you need to be pretty frame perfect with your inputs even if you're not at world record pace. While you can retry over and over again, it just still feels pretty brutal. The only times I really don't enjoy are the later have, specifically Mad Clown and beyond, because the RNG get's quite heavy. Even with the current leniency I still find myself just frames short of getting the achievement because Machoman decides to pull out an exercise, or mad clown blocks or dodges my punch. The challenge achievements are very enjoyable, I just find myself getting a bit more frustrated with having to be frame perfect to get some of these times even if its not on the WR strategy videos

gollawiz 21 Sep 2022 19:31

^ I think boosting the scores would help that a lot, 10 points for getting through an RNG gauntlet while still executing correctly seemed pretty underscored

Jagooo 22 Sep 2022 02:43

Mastered! I really don't know what the fuss is all about, maybe because I played this game a lot back in the days but it barely took me 2h to get everything and I don't consider myself a good player at all. I think the times are sufficent and the challenges were so much fun. I had more trouble mastering Donkey Kong Jr than this! Thank you for the great achievement set! Back to Mario64, THAT is insanely hard

cavsfan2313 22 Sep 2022 03:18

My 2 cents on this revision is that, while very frustrating at times, it is overall positive. I have really enjoyed the dizzying achievements as I've never known you could do that to each character in my decades of playing this game. The time attacks achievements are very challenging, yet I believe forgiving enough. For instance, I'm stuck on Hoy Quarlow right now, but the achievement requires 17 (now 19) seconds which is over double the world record on YouTube. It's a tough master, but I understand both sides.

ChronoGear 29 Sep 2022 19:16

The time trial times are generous enough. I really only had trouble with Macho Man. Chaining everything together can be fun and it's an interesting way to play the game.

suspect15 30 Sep 2022 00:08

ChronoGear - I appreciate your final thoughts. Congrats on rounding out the top 10 first masteries of the revision. Thanks for giving the set a shot and best of luck in your assault of the leaderboards :)

redmelon424 25 Oct 2022 02:12

I love how the retro ratio for this game is just absolutely broken rn. about 30 for the whole set and 49 for the rick bruiser time trial achievement

Daphtaru 24 Nov 2022 14:33

It's the case of not every game needs time trials just because it can. I'm not shocked only 30 have Rick Bruiser for that reason.

CritClaws 5 Jan 2023 00:09

Mastered!! Took a while and was hard but was very rewarding!