RetroSprites 26 Oct 2022 02:46

Mastered, this game is incredible wherever you look at it, what hasn't been said about its music? How good is it as a sequel to a game that is already legendary? Or his gameplay that is so good? Of his imaginative aggregates? Simply a masterpiece of the platform genre, reaching the iconic level of games of the same genre, such as Super Mario Bros 3/World or Sonic 2/CD

Maicolos 10 Nov 2022 20:16

Platinado? Masterado? Como fala aqui? kkkkk
Foi legal pegar as conquistas desse jogo, me ajudou a saber de segredos que eu não sabia.

JHONZIN444 16 Nov 2022 01:24

irmão, já tô perdendo minha sanidade mental tentando platinar dkc2 cara, tô a 15 horas jogando!!! fico louco, mas eu vou platinar.

RetroSprites 16 Nov 2022 04:17

Boa sorte.

markdarkness 25 Dec 2022 06:25

Why does this core set have so many achievements that are pretty much the definition of a bonus set?

markdarkness 25 Dec 2022 06:26

This is particularly noticeable compared to the other two DK games.

Digifiend 31 Dec 2022 16:46

Yeah, the achievements after the Kore Kaptain K Rool one really should be in a bonus set.

GalacticSpear 4 Jan 2023 01:43

Interesting that everyone who played the set actually enjoyed it a and the ones who didn't even load the rom says that they are bonus matterial, take a look at the actual bonus set for this game to see the difference from how crazy it is compared to core

GalacticSpear 4 Jan 2023 01:52

My intention with this set was to make a wide variety of fun and unique achievements without being frustrating, nothing here was done to make the player hate the game for life, but to add even more to his experience in this amazing game

DryIce53 4 Jan 2023 01:54

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coveredingas 4 Jan 2023 01:55

I think that's exactly what you did - and I don't know what they're on about considering games like Sonic the Hedgehog 2 have achievements for playing whole zone without pressing left or collecting rings. There's nothing beyond that sort of challenge in this set.

markdarkness 4 Jan 2023 05:28

@GalacticSpear, that's possibly not the best assumption to make. I've cleared DKC2 some 15 or 20 times... sometimes on Hard mode. I know the game well enough. I'm just not looking forward to starting a playthtough with objectives that are so much more difficult than what I consider to be fit for an advanced level of gameplay for this game.

Put into other words, the difference between people getting "Donkey Kong Is Back" and something like "The Final FINAL Fight" is quite significant.

coveredingas 4 Jan 2023 05:37

I don't see it. Yes, completing this set is a challenge - but if you're up for completing the game, everything is absolutely doable with some practice.

There are games on here - I'm thinking of several entries in the Mega Man franchise - where you have to go through entire boss rushes without taking damage to complete the set. Those achievements are far more ridiculous than anything in this set.

I freaking love DKC2 and I wouldn't change a thing about this set as it is now. To me, it hits that sweet spot of being a legitimate challenge and making me play the game in ways I never would (or didn't know I could) otherwise.

Something that's closer to the current DKC3 set would be fun but dull. I like that this set is creative - and I don't like it when the mastery badge is easy to get. I really wanna see more sets that are like this. There's nothing in here that requires glitches to get. It rewards research and deep knowledge of the game. I came away appreciating DKC2 more than when I started, and that's the whole reason I signed up for this site.

GalacticSpear 4 Jan 2023 12:55

@markdarkness Again, you didn't play the set, doesn't matter how many times you have beaten the game, if you really played the game 15 times you would get all the achievements in a very minimal ammount of attempts, and the comparsion of "Donkey Kong is Back" and "The Final FINAL Battle" doesn't make sense, one is for beating the normal final boss and another is for beating the true final boss, it would make more sense to compare the later achievement with "Something's Fishy", but even still, one achievement launched in 2013 and another launched in 2021, which is a very big difference, and to consider that the lowest unlocked achievement in the set (Don't Forget the Banana Bunches at the VERY Start!), still has 328 hardcore unlocks even though the revision was released not too long ago and still nobody complained that the achievement or not any other specific achievement, actually was too difficult to core, this is more than enough proof that nothing from here is "much more difficult than advanced level" and should not be moved to the bonus set

PrimalGiratina 4 Jan 2023 13:06

As someone who actually played both the Main Set and the Bonus Set, I agree with everything GalacticSpear said, the achievements here are cool challenges that explored the game's full potential but are not impossible, comparing the achievements here to something like the achievement of clearing the wind section of Animal Antics using the spider from the Bonus Set is ridiculous. The people saying this have no idea what Bonus Sets are, they are places for SUPER HARD challenges only. And, like GalacticSpear said, the people who actually played the Set (myself included) enjoyed the challenges, the Set was bland before the revision.

MatheusBrazuca85 4 Jan 2023 13:33

@markdarkness If you want to talk about Bonus Set go in the Donkey Kong 64 page and see those core achievements where you need pratically to glitch the game to get them, intankable the RAzil.

GrayCloudSpectator 4 Jan 2023 16:22

This set and the revision of the first DKC are some of the best sets I played on this very website and I consider them like the SMW set to be the gold standard of what type of challenges a core set should include, since it's my belief that a core set should always strive for creating new experiences for a game beyond 100%ing it as long as it doesn't involve glitches or frame-perfect inputs while still being a challenge that can be mastered with practice and the study/observation of how a particular game works.

coveredingas 4 Jan 2023 20:24

I completely agree, @GrayCloudSpectator. This set is one of the reasons I signed up for RetroAchievements. I hate achievement systems in most modern games because they're boring and the majority of platinums are either handed to you or require ridiculous amounts of grinding - I don't care about achievements in them because they add nothing.

This absolutely did. And frankly, I'm staggered by anyone who thinks that beating the game at 102% - which is what you'd have to do to get "The Final FINAL Battle" - is unreasonable to ask of the player, or that anything here is truly beyond the pale for someone who is already capable of completing the game by the game's own standards.

If there's ANYTHING I would do with this set, I might remove the achievement that requires you to start with 0 bananas and collect every banana in the level. (Or close enough to it I don't recall there being a difference.) I found that a little tedious - but it took nothing away from the overall experience because you can save in every world and restarting from your last save makes retrying it FAR less tedious than some of the other achievements I've gone for. The best I've got as someone who thoroughly enjoyed this set is nitpicks.

@markdarkness following your suggestions seems like it would lead to much less interesting sets and would make me care about retroachievements as much as I do about most modern achievements - which is not at all. This was satisfying to pull off but well within reach of someone who has mastered the game in the conventional sense. That's what a good core set of achievements should be.

You want an example of a ridiculously difficult set that should be a subset - look at the hard mode achievements for Dynamite Headdy, or the bonus game achievements for Darkwing Duck on the NES.

Of all the sets to criticize - why this one? Why one of the most masterfully put together sets on the site? This should be the gold standard - not something further revised.

markdarkness 4 Jan 2023 20:27

It's a question of who is it for, though, isn't it... as a general observation of how RA has taken shape, the most complex sets here are exactly those made for the most popular games; this has unintentionally been pointed out in previous replies (as examples of why this set is balanced in comparison).

Those popular games are likely to be the ones from which new players will start from. In thinking of how to make retro games reach people who have never experienced them, this is a bad strategy.

In my mind, core sets should be so that people can find the magic of retro with the fun modern twist of achievements, while bonus sets are for the people who have sharpened their skills over decades of retro gaming.

It's just my opinion, though. :) It's definitely why I didn't join the platform until last year even though I low-key followed it since 2017. Everything was just so hardcore that it didn't make sense even for me.

coveredingas 4 Jan 2023 20:51

I would be surprised if new players even came across Retro Achievements much less started with an interest in them.

If they did - there's no shame in softcore mode. Play however you like; in whatever way offers you enjoyment. Life is too short to get my knickers twisted over someone enjoying a game differently than I would.

Retro games themselves aren't for everyone. Part of the magic is they demanded that we meet them on their terms, and they didn't care if you couldn't overcome the challenges they threw at you. It was overcoming those challenges that have made a lot of them stick in our heads even decades after we first encountered them.

There's certainly a case for achievements that are TOO hardcore in core sets even for people who want to meet the game on its terms - but I think that's the yardstick: The game's terms.

There is absolutely nothing in this set that goes above and beyond what the game itself asks of the player. If anything, there's just some things I would never do if there weren't an achievement for it - but those things gave me a deeper appreciation for the game, and I think that's what a good set does.

The experience would be lacking if it were made easier to get the Mastery badge. If the badge is all someone cares about - the Completed badge can be gotten with any of the tools someone wants to use and completely trivializes anything in this set.

The subset would be hard to pull off even WITH save states. That's the difference.

Given that the ones most likely to be interested in something like this are likely deeply familiar with these games, it would be strange to craft sets entirely around newcomers who don't want to be challenged, or people who want to play the game exactly the same way they always have for the 100th time.

Some sets get it more right than others - I really don't see the criticisms for this one. Like I've said, I think this and DKC1 should be the gold standard for other sets to be compared to.